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The Parousia

  

Questions About

The Afterlife

Preterist Answers to Gary DeMar's
Five Questions About The Afterlife:

1.      What happens to the believer after death?

2.      Where does he/she go?

3.      What happens to the body that's buried and turns to dust?

4.      What kind of body does the dead believer have if there is no future general resurrection?

5.      What does the Bible say about these issues?

By Edward E. Stevens
International Preterist Association
122 Seaward Ave - Bradford PA 16701-1515 - USA

© Copyright, Edward E. Stevens, 1999
First Edition, September 1999
Printed in the United States of America

All rights reserved by the publisher. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopy, recording, or otherwise, without the prior express written permission of the publisher, except for brief quotations in critical reviews or other publications. Such quotations must be used with proper reference to their context.

 

Table of Contents

 

Foreword

 

Introduction

  1. What About The Creeds?

  2. Scripture Is The Standard

  3. Resurrection And judgment Were Imminent Also

  4. "Reformed And Always Reforming"?

  5. When Was The Resurrection Supposed To Occur?

  6. Resurrection Was Already Imminent In 1st Century

  7. Parousia And Resurrection Inseparably Connected

  8. Judgment And Parousia Inseparably Connected

  9. Where Do All The "Comings In A Sense" End?

  10. Creeds Only Knew Of One Parousia

  11. Who Violates The Creeds More?

  12. Paul Believed The Resurrection Was Imminent

  13. The Mistake Occurred In The Second Century

  14. Did Paul Believe He Would Live Until The Parousia?

  15. 1st Cor. 15 Meets Gentry's "Time Indicator" Test

  16. Resurrection Must Have Occurred, Or NT Is Mistaken

 

Questions:

  1. What happens to the believer after death

  2. Where does he/she go?

  3. What happens to the body that's buried and turns to dust?

    • "Dying You Shall Die"

    • A "Bodily" Resurrection?

    • Christ Is The Only One…

    • Continuity And Discontinuity

    • Paradise Restored

    • Continuity In Kind Of Body

    • Discontinuity In Which Body And How We Get It

    • There Is Both Continuity And Discontinuity

    • Different Kinds Of Bodies

    • What Kind Of Body Is It?

  4. What kind of body does the dead believer have if there is no future general resurrection?

  5. What does the Bible say about these issues?

Conclusion

Foreword

 

    My appreciation goes to Dan Harden, Theodore Kraft, Walt Hibbard, Parker Voll, Ron Wilson, Jim Plummer, Tony Torregross, Joe Gautier, John Noe, Ken Davies, Kelly Birks and several others who contributed material to this reply, and for some brotherly partial preterist critics who reviewed the manuscript and offered their poignant suggestions for "improvement." I believe their input has made it more representative of the broader Preterist movement. Those who supported my family during the development of this reply are especially highly esteemed, including Garrett Brown, Richard Swenson, Ron Wilson, Carl Fuchs, Carl Shields, Jim Plummer, Walt Hibbard, Tony Torregrossa and many others. Thank you for your partnership with us in this writing, publishing and distribution effort.

    Thanks also to Gary DeMar, founder and president of American Vision in Atlanta, speaker in demand, and author of several excellent books, for asking the following superb questions about what happens to a believer at physical death. His good work to wake up America and challenge the next generation to take back the moral and spiritual territory conceded by previous generations is laudable. May his efforts be mightily blessed by God.

    It is always helpful to the cause of truth to ask a lot of questions about any doctrine which is not clearly understood nor widely accepted. What happens to the believer at death is the very foundation of our Christian hope. If there is no life after physical death, then like Paul said, "let us eat and drink, f6r tomorrow we die." (1st Cor. 15:32) As some Christian scholars (e.g. Berkhof and Orr) have noted, eschatology (the study of final things) is one of the areas of Biblical studies which is least systematically developed (The History of Christian Doctrines, Louis Berkhof, p. 259). We have barely begun to examine the relevant texts and exegete their meaning. There is still much confusion, and much need for further reform in the field of Bible prophecy. The only desire Preterists have is to apply the "always reforming" principle to the study of eschatology. DeMar has asked five questions which should offer a great opportunity to do just that:

1.      What happens to the believer after death?

2.      Where does he/she go?

3.      What happens to the body that's buried and turns to dust?

4.      What kind of body does the dead believer have if there is no future general resurrection?

5.      What does the Bible say about these issues?

 

    This reply to DeMar assumes the reader is somewhat familiar with the Preterist view and understands the difference between the Futurist, Partial Preterist and Preterist positions. This author approaches these questions from a consistently Preterist viewpoint, which believes that the Parousia (Christ's return), the general resurrection, and the general judgment are all consummated events. We also believe that the millennium is past and the New Heavens and Earth (the eternal Kingdom of Christ) has arrived and is eternally on-going and expanding. This presupposition obviously and significantly affects our concepts regarding what happens now to the elect believer at physical death, so DeMar's questions are very appropriate. Gary's questions are boldfaced and numbered at the beginning of each chapter, with our comments following.

Edward E. Stevens

Bradford, Pennsylvania

September, 1999

 

Introduction

 

What About The Creeds?

    No appeal here will be made to the great ecumenical creeds or confessions, even though they might have something relevant to say about these things. This author believes properly exegeted Scripture alone is authoritative and sufficient to decide this issue. This is the way the Bereans approached anything different than what they had believed. We should do no differently. Will the creedalist affirm that the Bereans were wrong in appealing to sola scriptura for their decision about the orthodoxy of any doctrine? Why can't (and shouldn't) we approach every doctrinal issue the same way they did? "To the Law and the testimony…"

    Creeds, confessions, and catechisms must always be subordinate to the proper exegesis of Scripture alone. We certainly use historical-grammatical-contextual hermeneutical methods to determine the meaning and intent of Scripture. If there is a conflict between correctly interpreted Scripture and creedal summaries of our faith, we must stand with Scripture. Creeds can be wrong since they embody more than just Biblical material. They contain uninspired interpretations and applications of Scripture, which must always be subject to some suspicion of error. Only inspired Scripture is infallible and beyond question. And only the Biblical content in the creeds is above suspicion, error and correction.

    We need to keep in mind that the creed writers merely lifted the futurist TIMING interpretation out of the NT and bolted it into the creeds with the presupposition that it was still future. The creeds are merely reflecting the NT perspective which was futurist when it was written (i.e. before AD 70). This means the creedal TIME statements are not necessarily saying that the eschatological events are STILL future, but merely that they were future when the New Testament was written. So, the TIMING of the events is an "interpretation and application" of Scripture that could be mistaken. It is not part of the Biblical material in the creeds. This opens up the interpretative content in the creeds for reinterpretation, correction and change once a mistake is uncovered or a better interpretation comes along.

    If any of the "interpretations and applications" of the creeds and confessions are found to be in error by further study of the Scriptures, our job is simply to correct them and go on our way. Not everyone in the church universal is comfortable doing that, and if we waited until they were, we would never have reformed anything. So, we just have to do what they did originally. They formulated creeds, then later modified them as their understanding improved. As our understanding grows, we not only can change the creeds, but we indeed must change them. I know this statement strikes terror in the hearts of many of my brothers, but it is the Reformed (and always reforming) thing to do. If some parts of the church want to cling to faulty TIMING interpretations in tile creeds, let them. That doesn't mean other Christians have to. If early Christians had the right to formulate creeds in the first place and then later change them multiple times, we certainly have the right to change them or write new ones. Now that some TIMING problems in the creeds regarding eschatology have surfaced, our duty is to correct the creeds and go on into the future with more Biblically orthodox symbols. Future generations will get the benefit of a clearer understanding of the Faith.


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